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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:15:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The point remains valid.
You should never have a situation where a pilot can simply click a button, undock, and be able to safely sail away from people who could kill him seconds before.
It is NOT a good game mechanic.
I am all for people being able to sacrifice a bit and evade a war dec (stay logged off, stay stuck out of corp for a while) but there needs to be a period of time (24 hours would be fine) for the war dec to not affect them anymore.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2555
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:40:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
jade why dont you just add all those former allies to your alliance? that way they can still fight for you?
edit if corp hopping pulls them into the war... just make a bunch of alts have then join star fraction then join the former allies corp to pull them into the war!
Well the alliance issue is always that you need to have as many alt-controlled pretend corps (for executor voting) as you do real corps - (otherwise you'll lose the alliance to a Band of Brothers disband thing) Basically each corp in the alliance gets to declare "support" secretly and you need to ensure you have a majority to keep your alliance. So practically - to maintain our 52 allies we'd need 52 alt corps each of which needs an active subscribing member (or roughly 18 accounts worth of alts) paying for this with plex brings the admin cost of the whole structure to somewhere around 8.2 billion isk per month. Which is still some way in advance of the price the Goons pay for their wardec (50m isk).
As for the corp hopping ally alt fandango - I'm not really sure how all that works.
Surely a better option would just doing something sensible for wardec ally costs in the first place?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2555
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:53:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: so what you are saying is that to have a large alliance costs lots of isk and there is lots of risk associated with it like awoxers and such... so should an alliace who has spent the time negotiating and taking risk not have some advantages to it?
You appear to have completely ignored the point that the goons need to pay 50m isk to declare a war that I'd need to pay 8.2b (per month) to defend with 1/20th the number.
As I said in my initial post - with the mechanics so completely skewed in favour of large alliances I'm honestly not surprised that most people choose corp hopping wardec evasion rather than playing with a fixed deck where the dealer controls all the cards.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2555
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:03:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:MeBiatch wrote: so what you are saying is that to have a large alliance costs lots of isk and there is lots of risk associated with it like awoxers and such... so should an alliace who has spent the time negotiating and taking risk not have some advantages to it?
You appear to have completely ignored the point that the goons need to pay 50m isk to declare a war that I'd need to pay 8.2b (per month) to defend with 1/20th the number. As I said in my initial post - with the mechanics so completely skewed in favour of large alliances I'm honestly not surprised that most people choose corp hopping wardec evasion rather than playing with a fixed deck where the dealer controls all the cards. right just like you ignored the fact that you can save 8.2 billion by having those allies join your alliance! i mean thats what alliances are for right? how about you send me the 8.2 billion isk and i will negotiate with your allies to join the star fraction...
Read again. (harder this time).
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2556
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Posted - 2012.06.27 21:57:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:So did the war dec change bring the merc world back into the spot light? No, it brought on Jade whining about the costs to defend against the 30 Goons bored enough to go to Empire. If only players were able to war dec those 30 bored goons without having to dec an entire alliance...
Would be nice to pay 50m isk for the 30 of them rather than 500m for 9000.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2557
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:19:00 -
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Moonasha wrote:Leave high sec?
How would that help if the people we want to shoot are in hisec ? (ie moon-miner freighters and haulers)
One doesn't fight a war by going after the people who want to fight.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2564
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Posted - 2012.06.28 13:51:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Ban NPC corps, make individuals wardeccable - problem solved.
 ... really ... what could go wrong
See I'm not usually a fan of Nicolo da'Vicenza posts (for obvious reasons) but there is a seed of sense in this likely trolling on this occassion.
The problem with wars (as we've heard widely from 0.0 community) is that "everyone" does their logistics and freight movement on npc alts anyway. Hence its next to impossible to actually hit a large entity where it hurts. Given this reality its difficult (for me at least) to get that upset with people corp-hopping to avoid wars when the juicier targets have already (pre corp hopped or simply corp avoided in the first place).
So ....
Restricting npc corp membership to exlude any player more than a month old or with more skillpoints than it takes to fly a level 1 freighter - might be interesting.
And a specific wardec against an individual that follows that individual wherever they go ? Hmmm, interesting that. Would certainly create a new secondary market in listing the hauling alts of 0.0 alliance members.
This kind of thing would certainly change and the game and while sure, it massively increases the ability to "grief dec" particular players (I'm sure I'd be personally permadecced by mittani till the end of time yada yada etc etc) it would also give me the hilarious ability to actually fight back by targetting goonswarm hauler alts.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2567
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:29:00 -
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So (on the assumption we get a mechanic that prevents established (not noob) players from joining or remaining in NPC corps) - how about we have a financial penalty that is paid by any player leaving a corp/alliance at war equal to the amount it costs to wardec that entity - that goes directly to the wallet of the other side.
Ie ...
Goonswarm wardec Star Fraction..
Any goon that leaves needs to pay 500m to our corp wallet.
Any SF pilot that leaves needs to pay 50m to GS corp wallet.
Call it a penalty fee for deserting. (If CCP want their filthy isk sink have 10% of the total end up in concord taxes)
That would also go some way to balancing the disparity in initial wardec fees I think.
But of course thats the "edge case."
More practical purpose is that when wardecing a Goonswarm hauler alt corp (seeing as how their haulers are no longer allowed in npc corps) you'd at least get 50m isk back from the wardec evading goons skipping corp again to cover the 50m isk you needed to pay in the first place.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2568
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:34:00 -
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Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Call it a penalty fee for deserting. (If CCP want their filthy isk sink have 10% of the total end up in concord taxes) If the cost for war was reduced (let's face it, it's ******* stupid right now), I could see the deserter paying, say, half of the price of a war dec. I also agree with the ISK sink, but maybe just treat it like a normal market transaction. Jade Constantine wrote:More practical purpose is that when wardecing a Goonswarm hauler alt corp (seeing as how their haulers are no longer allowed in npc corps) you'd at least get 50m isk back from the wardec evading goons skipping corp again to cover the 50m isk you needed to pay in the first place. A hauler alt corp isn't going to be part of their alliance. You'd be stupid to do so, amirite?
Yeah I wasn't clear enough with what I'd typed there. I meant that if a change came in that meant hauler alts couldn't be in npc corps - then Goonswarm hauler alts would have to be in their own (wardeccable corps) cost to dec those corps would be 50m isk and charging the goonswarm hauler alts 50m to leave their own corp would at least keep things equitable.
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